Comments on The Cool Chicken: COLLEGE FOOTBALL 101 - DIRTY BOXING

There is no feeling of persecution. If you look at...

2008-04-26T16:02:00.000-07:00

There is no feeling of persecution. If you look at the posts here and the comments on youtube itself, you will see that your troglodyte bretheren came out in droves to cry foul.

I don't record the games for that reason either. I record them because I like to keep them.

I don't know if LSU won the game because of the refs... it sure didn't hurt you. Unfortunately, we will never know because what happened... happened.

It is not my job to help you make your argument. If this would have been the other way around, I promise you LSU would have been bitchin about it. They have a history of doing that. Auburn anyone?

If you wish to combat my argument, then please do so. I will go ahead and make my point that you don't have one because your entire argument is an attempt accuse South Carolina of doing the same things. They didn't.

It really is sad that you can't say "my team screwed up" and leave it at that. Nope. You can't do that. You have to say "my team screwed up but so did yours and I don't have a single piece of video to back that up."

Get over it. The video is there. It is not faked. If you want to try and alter realty to make the things that happened not happen... well... good luck with that.

It's funny that you say you would point out the dirty tactics that SC used against LSU with out even referencing a single incident. Why? Because there is nothing that "stood out."

I am sure anyone who watched the game noticed the things that LSU did.

Now... you keep posting and running your mouth but the bottom line is. I see it one way... you see it another. The only difference is that I am right and you are wrong.

This ends my discussion with you.

Thank you for playing. Better luck next time.

First of all, "freak", no one is saying that you m...

2008-04-26T15:50:00.000-07:00

First of all, "freak", no one is saying that you made anything up (where does this feeling of persecution come from?). It's clear that there were some dirty hits, which is why I have acknowledged it in my posts. You still seem to believe that LSU won the game because of the refs, as the video infers, a belief you seem incapable of commenting on. Some of us simple watch the game and do not record the game to point out every dirty hit that pissed us off. I don't have footage of the whole game but if you would make ALL of the game footage available, and not the footage you hand selected, I will point out all of the dirty tactics I saw USC perpetrate, tactics that you seem to miss in your "analysis".

I can't make up things. As I have said before... i...

2008-04-26T14:05:00.000-07:00

I can't make up things. As I have said before... it LSU would not have done what they did... I wouldn't have the video of them doing it... now would I? It amazes me how you freaks try and argue with something that is clear and captured on tape. It's not CGI... I didn't animate it.

I have made the offer to everyone who has talked shit.. make a video showing South Carolina spearing a LSU player in the back... or any of the things I showed in my video and I will back take the video I have down. You can't do it...

So let it go... I did. you freaks keep coming here and bringing it back up.

Did you even read the posts preceding mine? Noone ...

2008-04-26T13:54:00.000-07:00

Did you even read the posts preceding mine? Noone mentioned the Halo rule or Steve Spurrier's comments following the fumble or the LSU player's apologies or the personal fouls by the USC players. The only stupid one here is you with your garnet and black glasses, who made a biased video showing the penalties committed only by LSU, while also inferring that the refs won us the game. I watched the game with gamecocks fans in Charleston, and everyone in the bar could see clearly that the cocks were outmatched and that LSU won the game without referee influence.

You brought nothing new to the converation. Everyt...

2008-04-26T03:43:00.000-07:00

You brought nothing new to the converation. Everything you said has already been said and proven to be stupid and false.

Captain Munnerlyn broke the halo on the punt retur...

2008-04-25T23:16:00.000-07:00

Captain Munnerlyn broke the halo on the punt return. In case you didn't realize it, the halo still exists in college football. However, it has been modified to require the punt returner to call for a fair catch, which the punt returner did. Munnerlyn practically ran into the PR, thus breaking the halo. That being said, the PR can stick his arms anywhere within his halo after calling for a fair catch and if he happens to to touch a defender, it's not his fault.

The fumble was recovered by LSU; it happened in front of the USC bench and nobody even challenged it. Spurrier even talks about it in his post game comments, saying how one of his players "knocked the ball right back to the LSU RB."

The first facemask was ridiculous and dirty and was properly called. The spearing was absolutely sick. Coach Miles disciplined the player for this after the game and it hasn't happened since. As an LSU fan, I would like to apologize for the player's lack of sportsmanship. The second facemask looked ridiculous as well, and it definitely deserved a penalty, but the player was quoted afterwards as being very apologetic about the facemask and that he slipped, which is obvious from the video, and that his hand got caught under the facemask.

I've argued about the firstdown before and I will say it again, it was not a FD. The LSU defender's open field tackle was perfectly delivered as it tripped up the USC receiver, forcing him to fall short of the yellow line (the ball anyway). Look where the ball (and not his head) lands. You can tell when the line judge runs up after the USC player drops.

Pass Interference? Yeah okay, take a look at the Bama-LSU game from this past year to see what pass interference looks like. Bama's DB and WR get away with murder: using two hands to push off of our corners and tackle our WR's before they even get the ball. The defender is allowed to go after the ball and he never physically grabs the USC receiver's arm or impedes his progress upfield.

The first block in the back was questionable. The other two however, were undeniable. The flag was thrown and we lost a TD because of it.

If I had footage of the whole game, I could show you the "dirty tactics" of USC, which included a USC defender practically clotheslining Trindon Holliday, another USC defender launching helmet first into an LSU RB, repeated attempts to attack Matt Flynn's gimpy ankle during the game, including once while he was running out of bounds, and a bad facemask on Perriloux. I will admit that LSU played some dirty football, but also that Spurrier is not the shining example of clean football and USC is not entirely innocent.

I would also point out that we missed a field goal, had several key defensive and offensive starters out, and that our penalties actually impeded our own efforts to score and helped keep one of your scoring drives alive (the garbage TD at the end of the game that made the game seem close). Look at the stats, we physically dominated on both sides of the ball, and no effort by the refs won us that game.

1.) Punter's knee. Does not happen. 2.) Running ba...

2007-10-03T20:14:00.000-07:00

1.) Punter's knee. Does not happen.

2.) Running back reacted to the defense coming across the line. Either way, if you actually listened to the video, they call it on #57. The running back is #3. Very hard to confuse those two positions.

3.) Breathe? Yes. Put you arms on top of the receivers arms while the ball is in air? No.

Thank you for your post but after you response, I think you should really consider whether or not YOU understand football.

Awww, it's a shame when you actually show the proo...

2007-10-03T19:41:00.000-07:00

Awww, it's a shame when you actually show the proof in slow motion which actually contradicts your own claims. Just as the punt return where SC is called for interference and you say there was no contact. Contrary my friend. Look at the video. Do you not see the punt returners knee get knocked out from the SC player? Is this not contact? HELLO? Did you not see the false start on SC in slow motion that you provided? Look at the running back standing straight up when LSU crosses the line of scrimmage. You know, the defense CAN jump across the line of scrimmage and not be penalized IF the offensive line doesn't move. The offensive line was perfectly still. Your running back lost control! Your pass interference call, PLEASE! Give me a break. You are allowed to breath near the receiver. No pass interference there. Even your attempt with your slow motion video's proves you clearly don't know what you are talking about. It should actually be a little embarassing to post something that makes you clearly look like a fool. Post more! Keep up the poor work and continued whining. You deserve a coach like Spurrier.

bfniii-Perhaps you haven't heard the news, the SEC...

2007-09-28T06:54:00.000-07:00

bfniii-

Perhaps you haven't heard the news, the SEC has admitted to mis-spotting the ball, costing the Gamecocks a 1st down. Maybe that wouldn't have made a difference but then maybe if they had made at least half of the calls they overlooked the Gamecocks could've stood a chance.

And perhaps you have not closely watched this video. Yes, some of these plays happen in every game - but not ALL in ONE game! Two deliberate face masks, one deliberate head-first dive into a downed player's neck, several deliberate pushes in the back, deliberate pass interference, deliberate head-slam after the play was over. How many more do you need?

If LSU is such a great team, the players shouldn't have to revert to using dirty tactics to win, don't you think? Looks like they play nothing short of prison ball.

Perhaps you are an LSU fan on the defensive???

bfniiiIt is true and yes it does. It is not my opi...

2007-09-27T19:22:00.000-07:00

bfniii

It is true and yes it does.

It is not my opinion it is in the rule book. The whistle was blown.

I tell you what, the next game I see with all of this stuff in it, I will post a video. Of course, to get even close I will have to go back to some older Miami games.

It was a cheap play to get a penalty.

He used his helmet. It is clear as day.

It was a first down until the ref moved the ball.

There is nothing to disagree on, the video is clear.

yeah... you see facemasks all the time... however,...

2007-09-27T13:24:00.000-07:00

yeah... you see facemasks all the time... however, two in one game where the player was dragged to the ground? not often. A block in the back does happen... but 4 on the same play? not often.
even if that were true, that doesn't make lsu a "dirty" team. furthermore, lsu still got penalized.

a personal foul such as this one, should result in a ejection and a one game suspension.
in your opinion. otherwise, ejection/suspension typically occur for a personal foul after the whistle has blown.

Show video of your accusations and we will talk.
um, how about pretty much any college football game played?

The receiver touched him.
the receiver is allowed to stretch out his arms. perhaps munnerlyn should be made aware of this. it sounds like you have more of a problem with the rule than with anything mitchell did. regardless, munnerlyn was too close.

You are reaching. There was no call. The two replays you saw? the ones in slow motion? Were replayed while they were helping Cap off the ground.
you didn't address my comment.

The announcers say: That should have been a penalty. :)
and we all know that they are infalliable, right?

No matter what. You are not allowed to move the ball.
the ball was short of the first down, no matter what. again, you didn't address my comment.

There is no movement anywhere among carolina players.
we'll have to agree to disagree.

Wow. Thanks for the class. No sarcasm. I appreciat...

2007-09-26T17:22:00.000-07:00

Wow. Thanks for the class. No sarcasm. I appreciate it.

As a huge Tiger fan, and one who can apparently ta...

2007-09-26T15:43:00.000-07:00

As a huge Tiger fan, and one who can apparently take a little sarcasm, I want to say I think the video is great. I don't believe everything that is pointed out is correctly put into context (i.e. the blocks in the back, and yes they were legit calls. I remember thinking as they happened..."take your pick of the 3"). However, everything you pointed out happens in every game, by every team, at some point during the year. It's not like LSU is the only team to get over excited about making a stop, or play pass defense correctly when two players are both making a play on the ball. All in all...I thought it was well put together and great to watch. Hope we meet again in Atlanta

bfnii - 1.) yeah... you see facemasks all the time...

2007-09-26T11:37:00.000-07:00

bfnii -

1.) yeah... you see facemasks all the time... however, two in one game where the player was dragged to the ground? not often. A block in the back does happen... but 4 on the same play? not often.

2.) a personal foul such as this one, should result in a ejection and a one game suspension. of course that is only according to the NCAA rules book. Show video of your accusations and we will talk.

3.) You cannot touch the receiver. Cap didn't. The receiver touched him.

4.) There was no video angle showing the recovery however. There are no LSU players around the ball except the running back. Maybe he dislocated his arm and reached around his back.

5.) Are you kidding?

6.) You are reaching. There was no call. The two replays you saw? the ones in slow motion? Were replayed while they were helping Cap off the ground. The announcers say: That should have been a penalty. :)

8 A.) You must be watching a different video. No matter what. You are not allowed to move the ball.

8 - b.) There is no movement anywhere among carolina players. However, you are right, LSU did point at SC. Still, how many times do you see the team that jumped off sides point? Everytime.

10.) I am glad the guy who didn't make the call is not a ref. Oh wait. He is.

lesson 1a - facemask and clips on returns are comm...

2007-09-26T07:26:00.000-07:00

lesson 1a - facemask and clips on returns are committed in every game, even by gamecocks and lsu got called for it. what's the problem?

lesson 1b - he celebrated until he realized the helmet came off. what's the problem?

lesson 2 - chevis jackson should have gotten called for the shove to the helmet, but don't act like this kind of thing doesn't go on in every game by every team. ever heard stories from the "bottom of the pile"? i assure you that the gamecocks have been guilty of spitting, poking eyes or pulling hair and whatever else goes on down there.

lesson 3 - somebody needs to coach munnerlyn to not be within arm's reach of the punt returner. mike west covered the punt correctly. don't whine about "acting" when munnerlyn was in the wrong place at the wrong time. it's a penalty

lesson 4 - the video conveniently doesn't show who recovered the fumble. watch the sidelines. none of the gamecocks are protesting. hmmmm.....

lesson 5 - lsu got called for the blocks. actually, they were borderline. they could have been non-calls.

lesson 6 - murphy didn't actually lead with his helmet. if you notice, his shoulder pads make contact first. perhaps the video editor didn't catch that. he could have been called for a late hit but the whistle can't be heard on the video

lesson 8a - you can clearly see the ref on the ground passing his hand in between the nose of the ball and the stick prior to the ball "moving". it's not a first down.

lesson 8b - the right d tackle points out the o line movement. the refs saw it too. another mistake by the video editor.

lesson 10 - you call that pass interference? wow. i'm glad you're not a ref.

Wow! That video is damning to the referees. I did...

2007-09-25T04:05:00.000-07:00

Wow! That video is damning to the referees. I didn't realize it was that bad.

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